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“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.”
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The group’s support comes following the mass shooting that took place in Las Vegas.
- The debate on banning bump stocks is taking place on Capitol Hill. Florida Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo is planning to introduce legislation Thursday to ban the sale of them.
Washington (CNN) The National Rifle Association announced Thursday that it supports a review of bump fire stocks to see if they are in accordance with federal law.
The group’s support comes following the mass shooting that took place in Las Vegas earlier in the week and amid calls to ban the devices, which allow semi-automatic weapons to simulate automatic weapon fire.
The NRA is typically the nation’s most prominent lobbyist group against stricter gun regulations.
“The National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law,” the NRA said in a statement. “The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.”
The debate on banning bump stocks is taking place on Capitol Hill. Florida Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo is planning to introduce legislation Thursday to ban the sale of them.
“I think we are on the verge of a breakthrough when it comes to sensible gun policy,” Curbelo told reporters Thursday.
Curbelo said his office has been “flooded” with calls from fellow lawmakers inquiring about the bill.
The White House is open to legislation to ban bump stocks, press secretary Sarah Sanders said Thursday, and added that the administration wants to be part of the conversation in the days to come.
“We’re certainly open to that moving forward,” Sanders said.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi reiterated her proposal to increase background checks and call on House Speaker Paul Ryan to create a select committee to find common ground on gun violence at a CNN town hall Wednesday.
Pelosi also noted that there could be bipartisan support around the banning of sales on bump stocks.
“I do think there would be bipartisan support coming together to pass a bill to make it illegal to sell those because you can buy them now,” Pelosi said Wednesday.
On Thursday, Ryan also signaled he would be open to examining the legality of bump fire stocks, telling Hugh Hewitt in an interview that “clearly that’s something we need to look into.”
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!
just picking their battles, full auto is all show. One shot one kill
I am older. My friends and I used our thumb hooked into a belt loop and we could “bump-fire” oil our .22lr rifle was empty. Fun sometimes. I understand this device was originally invented to help vets (or any) who lost a hand or arm. Not to bump-fire it, but just to fire it.
I don’t remember ANY other attack on people using a real auto or certainly a bumpstockj. Mountain our of a molehill. NRA represents US. US is who pays dues. With modern day communication, NRA could find out how WE feel in less than 6 hours, all over America. Stop intrusion into ANTthing that allows us to have fun with our firearms. Fun. Only nuts and muslims KILL.
Bob Graham
I Hunt & Fish, I think. amo. cost plenty to buy, factory or hand loads. So I my self don’t nead to wast amo.. The president of the NRA said we should have more regulations on this Bumpstock
I Agree! Just so some Law maker don’t put more reg. on every thing elce. When are they going to get it in there head that the gun don’t fier it self. Bob
Check this out, Bump stocks.
I think it’s fine for them to do this. Nothing lost of any consequence. Just a feel good measure to quieten the rancor. Let them have it.
Nothing lost? READ FEINSTIEN’S BILL and wake the hell up!
You damn FUDS will sell us all out as long as they come after your shotguns and bolt actions last…. damn sheep!
Not ONE MORE INCH will we give up! If you do, you are a sell out and shame everyone who sacrificed everything, even all their tomorrows for the chance to save the smallest of freedoms… who the hell are any of us to stand here today enjoying these freedoms and not fight with everything we have when the leftists/liberal control freaks come to demand just a little more… than a little more after that… and so on until we are piece mailed to nothing. Fight or be a sellout, which will it be?
incrementalism is the death of freedom.
I think it’s fine for the NRA to do this. Nothing lost of any consequence. Just a feel good measure to quieten the rancor. Let them have it.
Give em an inch and they will take a mile!!!!
Lifelong Hunter here.
Owner of 2 deer rifles, one a .308 other one a .270 Win
Also own 2 shotguns for bird hunting.
You guys hit my email so i hope you enjoy this.
The NRA has you and everyone else here right where they want you.
*Semi auto assault style rifles in .223 are designed for one purpose only. To kill other human beings.
*If you own and shoot one, or worse, hunt with one you’re just a kid playing army. Grow up.
* they belong in the hands of military and law enforcement. Period.
* NRA used to do one good thing. Trained kids like me at age 12 how to safely handle a tool which, in their wise words then (early ’60s), made ANY situation inherently more dangerous. Had to take a written and a field test to pass.
* they’re now just hacks for gun manufacturers.
* they’ve marketed assault rifles to hunters in order to protect their manufacturing and sales as ‘hunter’s rights’
* any hunter knows you should use a .270 or bigger caliber to humanely kill a game animal
* the NRA has also convinced you that liberals or Democrats want to take away all guns. Baloney.
‘ slippery slope” ” give ’em an inch” all that horsecrap.
* you guys buy it all hook, line and sinker. Use your common sense!
* stop ignoring data, facts about gun violence. Look at other outdoors oriented nations. Australia. Evwryone has their guns, their hunting, their home protection guns. Just no assault weapons.
* government not coming for your guns or you. Who you gonna use them against? The military boys you all hold, rightfully, in high esteem?
* most importantly, stop ignoring the human misery you saw last Sunday. So many beautiful lives (mostly women, daughters, mothers) lost forever. They’re your fellow Americans.
* but compared to your great joy of firing a military weapon, your fantasy of ‘good guy saves the day’ with your weapon, or perhaps your deep fantasy of a justified killing of another human being is more important then their loss, their family’s grief. Don’t kid yourself.
WAKE UP!!! Think for yourself.
Well said! Supporter of 2nd Amendment, I agree that Assault rifles, be they semi-, or fully automatic, should belong to law enforcement and the military. Average home owners do not need automatic rifles.
YEP, THEY WILL TAKE A MILE AND WHAT LATER, “MILES”.
I am a Life Member of the NRA, and I don’t see a need for Bumbstocks. Although I do not believe we need to ban them.
If you buy Tax. Stamp or I think that is what we use to call them back when I had a Gun Repair business. You could own a machine gun. It could only be fired on special ranges once a year. Bumbstocks could fall into this catagoty.
No over the counter sales . None to be sold at gun shows.
Before long we will be out Lawing cannon balls!
I vote NO on naming bumbstocks!
Very well said, Wendell, I too agree with the NRA’s stance on this issue…..if you can buy Bump Stocks; why not full auto weapons…..should not be banned; but regulated………
The NRA should know that banning ANYTHING is just the tip of the iceberg, as has been proven several times since 1968. I personally have no need for a bumpstock, as I only shoot lever actions and don’t need a spray-and-pray weapon, but I don’t want bumpstocks banned because what’s next, 45-70 ammunition, ALL firearms? The anti-gunners just need to get a foot in the door to start their emotional useless tirade.
I am a life member Also over 45 years. I see no use in bump stocks. Except waste ammo. And in stupid hands like Las Vegas. No good can come by it. Except stir up the masses to take all our guns.
You are a disgrace “Jess”. Just because YOU see no use for bump stock, you don’t mind giving up OUR rights that do. Beside, never mind the darn bumpstocks, READ Feinstien’s bill because it is very vaguely written on purpose and will be used to gut much much more than the silly bumpfire stock (which is being used to blind you naive FUDS sadly)… the bill will also be used in future court cases against us in many unforeseen ways. Wake up, please stop assuming that just because YOU don’t see a “NEED” or “purpose”, that no one else should own something. Stop giving-up our freedoms just because you are unwilling or afraid to fight…. for shame pal.
I would trade bump stocks for national reciprocity. The NRA should not give up bump stocks without getting something in return
I’m with the NRA and congress on this, no need for automatic fire except for terror. Agreeing to prohibit what has already been restricted for many years does not give up something else. The act of being responsible to remove something that should never have been permitted demonstrates responsibility and not surrender.
THE NRA AND THE PRESIDENT ARE RIGHT ABOUT BUMP STOCKS ! I AM A GUN ENTHUSIAST,
GUN OWNER – – – -SHOOTER AND A MEMBER OF THE NRA AND I AGREE THAT BUMP STOCKS
SHOULD BE OUTLAWED AND FURTHER THAT FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS SHOULD BE
BANNED FROM PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. NO CITIZEN NEEDS A FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE
GUN .
Among other things sir, your opinions are, staying within the bounds of polite conversation, seriously flawed.
I’m a member of the NRA and gun owner also. However I have to seriously disagree and oppose your stance on bump stocks and machine guns. Just because a particular gun or accessory doesn’t fit your need or idea of what is or is not needed DOES NOT mean that applies all shooters! Private ownership of machine guns continues to this day as long as the person passes the required background checks and pays for the required stamps and permits. There are many active gun owners and gun shops that use machine guns for business purposes and to collect. There is also a National machine gun competition based on scenarios from the 30s and 40s where competitors are dressed in period clothing and use fully functional Thompson machine guns on a select course of fire. You’re going to tell them they don’t have a need or right to participate in this because you personally don’t believe in them? FAT CHANCE OF THAT! Bump stocks have already been screened by the ATF and passed their criteria. Again, because YOU DON’T see a need does not mean you speak for every one else in shooting world. Because one individual chooses to abuse something doesn’t give you the right to jump on the bandwagon and proclaim it should be banned because you think so! What next? You don’t see a need for suppressors so no one should have one? That’s the same deranged thinking and behavior of the liberal idiots and dumbassocrats. I happen to support the use of both of these accessories and do plan to purchase them for my use. I oppose a ban on either of these items.
As A retired Military Police Officer of more than 25 years, there are some valid points on each side of the street with this issue. The bottom line is simply this, any new laws, restrictions etc., will only limit and restrict the rights of law abiding citizens, and subject them to the whims and control of government and/or the criminal elements. It would remove one of the last remaining elements of personal individual protections. Those that reside on the darker side of civility, will always find a way violate what the laws prohibit, all the while infringing upon and reducing the rights of honest law abiding citizens.
As soon as Vegas became public, I could easily envision this scenario unfolding, with anti gun activists screaming about all the negatives that could be generated. We do not live in a utopian world, where every day is peaceful, and as such, the rights of individual citizens should not be trampled or infringed upon by those with differing opinions, but yet that is what is suffered each and every day.
Pencils do not caused mis-spelled words, it is the user of the pencil. The same applies to guns, it is not the gun, it is the user. Lets be brutally honest, if guns were removed and abolished world wide, another tool would ascend and be utilized in its place, and already has, with brutal effectiveness. Look at how ISIS utilized a knife, something legal and used in everyday life. The truly bottom line, is going after the guns is the last remaining piece of Saul Alynsky’s 8 Steps to Develop a Socialist Society. That is the true goal of the anti gun screamers. My real concern here is that the NRA is beginning to fracture because of the never-ending onslaught by the left wingers. Go help us all.
I agree. It’s a LEFTIST emotional response designed to make politicians and people “feel” we have to do something. Often times that something is the wrong thing.
Are you sure we the people don’t need access to full auto weapons? I don’t know if you have noticed or not but the military and SWAT have them. What if one day comes when ……..
The NRA should be ashamed to have a member like you. I’m sure ashamed that an NRA member would have such an opinion. Remember- first they came for…………
The NRA should know that banning ANYTHING is just the tip of the iceberg, as has been proven several times since 1968. I personally have no need for a bumpstock, as I only shoot lever actions and don’t need a spray-and-pray weapon, but I don’t want bumpstocks banned because what’s next, 45-70 ammunition, ALL firearms? The anti-gunners just need to get a foot in the door to start their emotional useless tirade.
Well said. Totally agree!
Full auto is only for terror? Don’t restrict my ability tyo stop terror by taking away a means to put terror in a box. Just because it doesn’t fit into your plan doesn’t mean it needs to be illegal. The Las Vegas episode wasnt a bumpfire stock, it was a staged event that was designed to restrict our freedom. The power grabbers who would have us use sticks to fight oppression are afraid because bump fire helps the common man have parity with the UN troops who will be sent to disarm all of us.
Correct… How about regulating Congress and Government that secretly funds drugs, guns and terrorist, instead of human beings that are Americans?
Yeah, what part of that do our representatives not understand? And do they not vow to uphold the constitution? 2A is part of said constitution and shall not be infringed.. MAD AS HELL.
I don’t see a problem with it, nothing big really lost, picking their battles and it makes them look reasonable. I don’t see a ban on bump stocks, I just see them being more highly regulated like any other fully automatic weapon.. I think it’s a very smart move on the part of the NRA. And as much as I hate politics, it does make good political science, and gives the NRA more credibility in negotiating power in the future
I Agrea John. I am also a NRA LIFE member
When the tragedy happened in Vegas and I mean tragedy I figured that those out of mind people, you know the left and media would have another reason to jump on gun control because they have nothing else to do, you know, appeal obamie care, tax cuts and health care plus illegal immigration which they have been sitting on their assess and bitching about their not getting enough money for doing nothing and now the very well known N R A which I would not join because I figured sooner or later they would be turn coats from its members so now fellow Americans the N R A wants you members to stand down, so all along I defend my right through the 2nd amendment and no one else.
I watched and listened to the videos of the shooting. I really don’t think that it sounded like bump fire shots . I feel this is part of something more sinister at hand .
Has liberals invaded the NRA ?
I believe the entire thing was orchestrated by Soros and the DNC to undermine the president, further the nation’s division and push the anti-gun agenda. It is all but obvious to me.
The NRA got paid. Like McCain,and the other Republican Traitors who valued their wallets over the country. Clinton was exposed and denied, you didn’t think those self important dictators were just going to give up, did you?
Once you bow down to having one right removed you will open the flood gate to having all of our rights under assult. It would probably be best if the NRA just takes a knee. Seems like it is working out good for the NFL. There will be another organization, I hope to take rhe place of these weak kneed sissies. Bye bye NRA…. Traitors.
NOGA is stepping in and pushing back against this leftist agenda they already have a petition to send to congress and they will oppose any new legislation as the NRA should. I feel very let down by the NRA and as a life member I never thought I would see this day.
What the hell do you or any hunter or sportsman need a BUMP=STOCK for?
Why are weapons that look like military pieces sold to average sportsmen? What can you use them
for? Do you plan on going deer hunting with them? Get real……….
America,wake up………..
Good man now there’s somebody that’s thinking!
What the hell does NEED or HUNTING have to do with it ?
i’m a dem. and a gun owner only reps make gun laws.
Why the hell does anyone NEED a Mercedes? A personal airplane? They don’t, but they have the right to own one if they WANT to and can afford to. Saying citizens don’t need something they want is bogus.
First of all the ar 15 and ar 10 were designed as civilian firearms and the rights were sold to colt who then entered them in to a government competition to replace the m 14
As a matter of fact I do go hunting with mine. Why don’t you go back under your bridge you dumbass troll.
absolutely, that is what happened in Medicine. Back in the eighties we doctors gave in alittle, then more and more was asked and then taken by the government. Do not give in just alittle. That inch will be a yard in the future. The second Amendment is definite. Leave it alone!
I support banning these bump stocks
There is no place in our society for these,
We do not let people buy hand grenades or mass destructive items all should be ban
Except the right to ban arms
If you know the law and how a bump stock works you would feel differently unless you are a leftist socialist democrat .
The law requires only 1 round being fired per pull of the trigger. A bump stock doesn’t make the semi automatic an automatic it still is only 1 round per pull of the trigger so it doesn’t violate any law and doesn’t convert it to a machine gun. Thad facts just don’t matter to the liberal ideology getting a ban on anything to do with guns is a victory and they hope leads to a complete gun ban.
Really you can move your finger that fast you’re full of crap. I was an NRA member a long time I don’t believe in bullets that can penetrate vests and I don’t believe anyone needs a machine gun for any reason in this country. Yes I own weapons but some of the NRA as positions are way off base. IMHO
Perhaps you’ve never read the constitution. We the people have the right to protect ourselves from even our government if we are threatened by tyranny from that government. Just what the hell do you think they’ll be using you idiot?
Again what kind of rifles were around when they wrote the Constitution? Do you even know your history? Maybe two shots a minute? Give me a break different times. Who’s the idiot.?
I completely agree with you and the points you scored with facts. I smell a fish with the LV incident, but I don’t know the facts. So, I’m not going to jump on the political bandwagon screaming the need to remove one more right to own another gun accessory. In fact I don’t think we’ll ever be told the truth. Any bets? But in the coming days, a lot of to do will be made over the need to control guns to prevent this from happening again. Amazing how this all happened just before debate on suppressors began on capitol hill. I’m also amazed at the ability of an inanimate object to kill people Just saying
I am a Patriotic Patron Life member of the NRA and was taken back by their call for action on bump stocks. I sent them email stating my distaste in lieu of this announcement. I’m also considering voiding my membership with this organization.
There are these words written in the 2nd Amendment for a reason; “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.” Why? To prevent any government, person or persons from taking our freedoms, liberties, our ability to protect our family and property away. This is an unalienable GOD given right. To regulate, prevent, control, etc., any part of this right is an infringement on this right. Liberals and gun control advocates will eat away at the 2nd Amendment until it is gone, completely. Just as they are now doing with the 1st Amendment.
I don’t own a bump stock but I am now highly inclined to purchase one.
Molone Labe
At $1700 each, I have 2 for sale. Nah, I can’t, they are too much fun to shoot.
You are correct. 100%. This is bullshit propaganda based on a staged event.
I agree. Our second amendment does not mention weapons of mass destruction like a machine gun..
A machine gun is not a weapon of destruction
You’re an idiot. What do you consider mass destruction. You need more than 60 people dead
Besides we now need to defend this country against the homegrown Antifa Terrorists that proclaim to be starting a civil war by shooting cops and conservatives on Nov. 4th
I’ll keep my full rights intact to defend myself and my family, thank you very much.
Didn’t your mama tell you that you should keep your opinion to yourself because you are too dumb to talk in public?
I really do not see the necessity for bump fire stocks.
I believe regulating them would a way to take the heat off of additional gun legislation without drawing so much attention to semi automatics and magazines.
I don’t the left will use everything and anything to advance the liberal leftist agenda that is to ban all guns period.
I totally agree. There is no reason for these devices and to try to kewep them leagal just gives the Liberal ammo to go further and take away rights that are important and essential. The NRA folks are smart to come out with this early.Remember,the NRA in the past was the first to recommend background checks which takes away a big Liberal point in arguing for more anti-gun laws.
Fool! do not give in an inch to those Socialists. Stop letting them set the dialogue!
There all a bunch of commies that would love to take all your guns
With bump shot you lose the ability to Shoot accurately that’s the reason theNRA bans them from competition.
Just like giving your wrights up no way need to go after the pharmaceutical companies all of the shooter were on the same med back to tim Mac vay no
yes they all were on anti-depressents
While the bump stock is fun to shoot, ATF should look into it making it part of Class III. Keep it legal just change the catagory.
I think the NRA is looking at this like loosing a battle to win the war.
I do not think we should allow any bans or restrictions that would hinder us from exercising our rights under the 2nd amendment of our Constitution. We must never waiver in our support of this amendment because if we give an inch on our right to bear arms the liberals will take a mile. We should never allow any restrictions to be places on our 2nd amendments rights.
Amen my friend
I agree with you whole heartedly, if the NRA fails to support the 2nd amendment then I will no longer support the NRA.
Amen!
When the second amendment was written they could fire one bullet at a time. I don’t think our forefathers were smart enough to realize machine guns were going to be invented and I don’t believe the public needs to own them. I believe in gun ownership but this world is crazy no need for machine guns or anything that makes them work even close to that way. Be glad you’ve got your 50 cal and your AR-15. All my humble opinion
You are right on. I would like to point out that on the day of the Vegas shooting, 110 million gun owners did nothing wrong. Once again, the majority must suffer because of the actions of the few mentally disturbed individuals. In the last week, how many people were killed in auto accidents, drug overdoses, abortions, etc.? Are we going to BAN autos or drugs? Try banning abortions, there would be a massive protest and the liberals would cry about their constitutional rights were being violated. Responsibility for one’s own actions is the key to solving any problem or issue. Maybe we should ban criminals and thugs instead of guns. Oh wait, we already do that.
Ed, great answer!!!!
At $1700 each, I have 2 for sale. Nah, I can’t, they are too much fun to shoot.
I was a member of NRA for many years and I contributed thousands of dollars to NRA/ILA over those years. During that same period the NRA offered several times to compromise our 2A rights to appease the rabid gungrabbers. This is NOT the first time they have made such an offer and they will do it again. I don’t trust Wayne LaPierre! As Charlton Heston once challenged, “……..from my cold, dead hands!”. We have to “Stick To Our Guns” and keep reminding politicians that they “Shall Not Infringe”! Molon Labe!
The Bump Stock is not the problem – Shame on the NRA.
They should be banned. You do not need an automatic weapon to hunt animals. Wake up and see reality. What are you gonna do when it’s your family that got hurt by one person ,
Who are you to tell anyone what they need and if they should have it or not?
Your ignorance is amazing! Bump stock doesn’t make it a machine gun in anyway shape or form. Grow up and seek help from the mental health community they can help you in getting your head on straight and let you see the light through the liberal ideology.
Amendment II is not about hunting animals.
I find it interesting/amusing that I seem to be the only one here with a photo as an avatar. What is everyone afraid of?
Eric……no FEAR,,@edWATTS…. Perhaps a tiny dose of CURATED privacy…IM DIOGENEES,in a comment EARLIER, I CHOSE NOT to have an AVATAR& WHAT caliber I use..& AS MUCH OF MY “pursuit of Happiness”,I CHOSE..STEROIDAL comments? I’ll pass…..(Afraid? silly DEVISIVE leftist,)????
its not just the hunting aspect, we need to be prepared if the shtf I personally don’t see anything wrong with bumpstocks being sold, the atf judged them legal as they should have. Tyranny is just a half step around the corner and the new world order would prefer unarmed peasants
Some morons who are posting here are obviously uneducated Liberals! Since when has the 2A been about hunting animals?
I do not agree with what everybody is saying but I do know that something has to be done to stop these automatic weapons or the single fires to be changed over to automatic weapons everybody knows what happened in this last incident is crazy
Every firearm “law” is in violation of the second amendment. I thought the NRA had learned it’s lesson after the gun control act of 1968, evidently not.
Why?
get your facts straight. The semi automatic was NOT converted to an automatic. Please read the definition of an automatic weapon. This was still one shot one trigger pull-therefore semiautomatic. Stop falling for Liberal definitions.
First of all CNN ( Communist News Network ) aka FAKE NEWS is never going to state the truth. The interview I watched on FOX News with Chirs Cox stated the the Obama administration past legislation on the bump stock. Wayne also stated in his interview, the government wanted to look at new legislation on regulation for the bump stock, the NRA would willing to discuss. This does not mean they are bowing down with out a discussion.
We all know people kill people guns don’t and a person with that many guns should have a FFL.
Why? Just because I collect weapons does not mean I am going to SELL ANY.
Which what an FFL is for. Not for collectors.
An FFL IS MERELY A LICENSE TO SELL FIREARMS & AMMUNITION. THAT IS ALL.
I love shooting. I have lots of guns and spend a lot of time shooting them and keeping them in tip-top shape. I shoot to become more accurate in case sometime in the future that I might need to protect myself or my family from some aggressor. I don’t need bump stocks to assist my shooting. In fact if anything they make your shooting less accurate. The evil guy in Vegas rapidly shot 200 rounds through his hotel room door at the security guard and yet him him once in the leg..
Automatic weapons have been banned for some time. This makeshift reproduction of an automatic weapon should be banned. It will not stop future evil people from mass shootings, but it will make the politicians feel like they did something and the stupid electorate that voted for them.
Right on Bill. I have around 20 years of experience as a military and state law enforcement firearms instructor and range master. I agree, that a shooter is more accurate firing one round at a time rather than spraying an area. Unless you have a lot of training in full auto, your muzzle rise is going to pull you off target. If you want to experience full auto fire, go to a range/gun store that offers rental of full auto weapons. I back the NRA on this one.
If you have 20 years of military experience, you know you are lying. One shot , one kill. But full auto = Squad down. Whats Extensive training? A mag load to get the muzzle climb under control? Its called a burst for a reason. You are an embarrassment to the branch you served and the law enforcement you claim to represent. you took an oath to the constitution in front of God. Did that expire?
If you let them ban one they always go after what’s left we have been down that road before and the bump stock doesn’t make it an automatic
It’s the old slippery slope again. The Schumer/Fienstien/Gilabrand/Pelosi train will grab this and go full throttle. I wish I knew how to slow that train down.
…..How about a Bump Stock…..LOL
The NRA is making a mistake. Is it time to replace the board?
Agreed
I am not sure that these bump fire stocks really increase effective fire by more than a marginal amount. An AR15 effectively fires no more than 100 rounds per minute. The bump stock increases inaccuracy and jamming. While a fully auto M16 has a cyclical rate of 750 – 900 rounds, with magazine changing, the real rate is under 300 rounds. So the bump stock produces less, likely between 100 and 200. Banning these is no big deal. It is also a fools errand because guys find new ways to get more noise and firepower. We also do not know if Paddock effectively used his bump stocks. Those could have been rounds that went astray.
when your firing into a crowd of several thousand people it really doesn’t matter if you aim or not your gonna hit someone, thats what makes this crime so insane, I could maybe understand if the gunman had a axe to grind with a particular group of people, like democrats but to fire randomly into a group of folks he never even met is insane.
Have to pick your battles. Would you want bump stocks or suppressors? Bump stocks or nationwide reciprocity? Have to choose which would most gun owners want.
Why are we negotiating our rights away because it makes us feel good? When was the last time those damn Liberals ever gave in. Our side has fought hard to keep our rights. Get rid of the whiners and the Socialist Left. Read some history of the political changes in pre war Germany and Hitler’s rise. He was a socialist also. Liberals today are modern Nazis! Accept that fact
We don’t need additional legislation for gun control. I am in favor of the bump stock. Any person who obtains any weapon or accessories has the right to own it. Donald Trump needs to stand by the 2A and uphold the citizens rights as well as the NRA. We don’t need a bunch of left wing libtards eroding our 2A rights. It’s time to get rid of these politicians who have no respect for the constitution or the american people’s rights to own and bear arms.
Why in the world would a sain american need an automatic weapon? Damn right there is a need for common sense legislation,it can be done without damaging our 2nd amendment rights.You should be admonished for fanning the flames of dishonest propaganda.The left is not after the 2nd just an attempt to control zealots who are out of control and your rhetoric contributes to the nonsense!
Geee… you make the Left out to be reasonable, rational, thoughtful, and caring.
And since we know in reality, none of that is true, your statement is full of falsehoods and deception. Your statement is better placed in elementary schools where the audience doesn’t know better and actually believes you have their interests at heart. Here, there are grown adults that know better.
The Left IS out to undermine the 2A AND they DO want all our guns (except for their own security protection). The Left does not want any opposition to their move to socialism.
Any such legislation, “common-sense” or not, “infringes” (Look that word up!) upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Feinstein said, over twenty years ago, “If I could have gotten fifty-one votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them — ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ’em all in!’ — I would have done it. I could not do that — the votes weren’t here.” In other words, “Constitution be damned if we have enough votes!”
Now, tell us again that the lefties are not out to eliminate Amendment II and take everything away. If Amendment II is repealed, how long do you think The Constitution will stand? Bad times are a-comin’!
It’s clear to see that your ability to be rational is absent.You are as stupid as you are informed,a debate with you is a listed cause!
Evil is in this world, and no amount of legislation can control or eliminate it. From a biblical perspective and a root cause, we have to change the hearts of men, to combat evil.
For clarity, I’m 60 yo. Served in the army 76-79
Hunted since I was 6 with a .22 with a natural progression to higher calibers and shotgunning throughout my entire life.
From a sporting/recreational/hunting perspective, the “bump stock “ is useless.
The bump stock by nature is designed as a “spray fire” use. Once the first shot occurs the accuracy of the following shots are %100 inaccurate. #Dangerous
Regards
Charlie
Before I make up my mind on this can anyone tell me the reason for a citizen (not military or police officer) would need to have a semi-auto or automatic weapon/gun.
I am in total agreement with you on this one. There can be no honest reason for one. I am and have been a NRA member, Korea Vet and am amazed at the people crying about this and the NRA.
https://youtu.be/FOwy9OWfnAM
Watch this to the end. Did the colonists gain independence from King George using spears and swords? Or did they have access to the same weaponry as the oppressive, tyrannical, British? The flintlock musket was the advanced weapon of that day. It was, and is, assumed that “the people” should have the same access to weapons so as to form a Militia as needed, for the Defence of a “Free State”.
My feeling is that semi-auto pistols or rifles make sense for self defense or to defend liberty from tyrants in government if that day ever occurred. But in the hands of the general, non-trained public, I do not see a need for bump stock or fully automatic weapons. Spray and pray is not an effective form of self defense, and bump stocks in many ways require more training for accuracy than a true automatic weapon. I am an NRA member and strong defender of 2nd amendment, but easy access by the public to a bump stock is not a fight worth fighting in my opinion.
Glad I didn’t get the life time membership!!!
I hate to say it but in this case I agree. There has to be better restrictions on who can get any type of device that can turn a semi auto into an auto. There are lawful ways to own Automatic fire arms. At some point common sense has to come into this. I am all about my second amendment rights. It just might be that some compromise on an issue like this may make a difference in the over all discussion to secure our rights. You asked, you may not like the answer but there you have it.
I am, among other things, a gunsmith, and I can tell you that a clever, determined individual with a few hand tools, a drill, and some files can turn nearly any semi-automatic weapon into a full-auto device with some pieces of steel and a few hours’ time. Since this is so, how long do you believe it will be before the calls for absolute bans on semi-autos begin? Then bolt-action with “high capacity” magazines. Then all other bolt-actions. Then single-shots. Then cap-and-ball. Then muzzle loaders. Then…
NRA (life member) should dig in their heels on this one; if they give an inch, a mile will soon follow.
What we need to outlaw is Liberals. Look at who has done all these mass shootings! Liberals. We need our guns to protect ourselves from the Liberals. Who is wanting to take our guns away? Liberals! Look at the Top 5 Cities that makes us almost the worse gun crime Country in world! All Liberal managed Cities. You take them 5 Cities away and we are almost to the Safest Countries in world!
I did not realize that Bump Fire stock caused deaths as I thought it was the nut using it.
The rest of the owners and users of Bump Fire stocks have injured no one,
Now because of one individual’s actions, every present and future owner or user must be subjected to added restrictions,if such restrictions are legislated.
I do not have a use for a Bump Fire for my AR as I do not wish to burn out a barrel or spend that much on ammunition. By the same token, I should not wish to ban or restrict others who want to legally use one.
If a liberal does not like firearms, he wants to keep anyone from having one, whereas if a conservative does not like firearms, he will not buy one.
As long as we are just talking about th bump stick, I don’t have a lot of heartburn over it. But there seems to be something bigger here. Even the whole scenario doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t be surprised to hear that one of the conspiracy theories is actually reality.
NRA press on and stand firm on our freedom.
The NRA is a parasitic infection on the American 2nd amendment rights. They should be banned from lobbing on the floor of congress,and any member of Congress who takes their money should be admonished by the ethics committee!
If the use of a bump stock actually does allow a person to fire a semi-automatic weapon at the same rate as an automatic weapon then they should be regulated.
It does not and cannot enable any Semi-Auto rifle to come anywhere near the fire rate of a purpose built Auto.
While this (bump fire) stock truly is a piece of junk IMHO, & I have zero use for something that burns money faster than it can be made (by me) is no reason to cave to more gun control, we really have way to much, & it’s been proven it does not work (most all)
If we are to lose any kind of firearm rights, (an we may lose this one bump fire) trade it for freedom from some of these totally stupid gun control laws that make NO SENSE AT ALL,
But to give away something for NOTHING, that my friends is the DEMOCRATIC WAY, I’ll have no part in that kind of stupid.
Wake up NRA !!! smell the coffee, now your chance to set something, anything RIGHT ! for your constituents, & members who count on YOU to protect our freedoms & The U.S. Constitution in America !!
Well said! ????
I agree with Joe, something has to be done to stop these automatic weapons or single fires from being changed over to automatic weapons. Maybe we can stop this terrible tragedy from happing again. It is sad but times have unfortunately changed.
Since 1932 automatic weapons have been regulated by ATF. Today, bump stocks should also regulated by the ATF. If street gangs obtain this new technology, Chicago, New York, Washington D.C. and other big cities,will become killing zones like Las ‘Vegas on a daily basis..
I believe in the 2nd Amendment, and agree that we should be able to purchase and carry for protection of myself and family. I do not believe that automatic weapons, like the ones used in the Las Vegas Massacre, are necessary for personal protection. I agree with any amendment which allows bump stocks for the purpose of making a weapon automatic. See no need for automatic weapons. NRA is right to consider banning the bump stocks.
I have mixed Thoughts on this subject since there is no argument for the necessity for the Bump Stock in target shooting or hunting.
Home defense is another subject and although I don’t own a semi automatic Long Gun , I would not be adverse to having the option of a fully automatic weapon to defend my family and myself.
A Gun , Semi automatic or fully automatic cannot choose whom it maims or kills , we all know it needs someone to aim and pull the trigger to cause the operation .
Anyone can see that Mental Issues are clearly the cause of these massacres because any one of several methods could have been used to create the chaos that ensued as well as a Gun. since Car Bombs , Trucks , Suicide Vests and Bombs of various types have been used in the past.
It is my understanding that in the Wake of recent , Multiple terrorist attacks in the UK Serious consideration is being given to Arming all Police Officers who in the past have only had billy clubs for defense (which have proven to be ineffective) against the type of Criminality taking place in this time of so called ”diversity”
Hopefully the Police in the UK will be armed to prevent future attacks on the populace
Bump stocks must go! Any real gun owner knows that screw up shooting accuracy and really have no place in our homes or in our guns. They should be banned and taken off the market. These “gadgets”, which I never even heard of until this week do not belong in our lives and feeds the gu haters wrath and, in this instance, they are right in my opinion
Don’t get sucked in. The govt already restricts our second amendment freedoms because of ‘safety” and “necessity” . Pretty soon nothing will be safe or necessary.
The NRA has rolled over many times,(e.g., 1968, 1993, 1994). They also roll over in most states. NRA is good at teaching to shoot a gun, and good at training people with firearms. The NRA has no desire to protect the second amendment or ensure a citizens 2A rights. They just want money from customers to maintain their pretty little club. There are groups out there that care about the second amendment and citizens gun rights.
Don’t forget the “Mother Of All Rollovers” in 1934 and “The Father Of All Rollovers” in 1986…
No more government regulations. Take the emotion out of the decision. The incident was a horrendous act in Las Vegas but to run to regulation is a big mistake. One person actions isn’t a reason no matter how horrible to make new regulations.
I’ve been an NRA life member for 30 years or more and a member all my life. I’ve always supported the NRA and it’s policies and I support them in their position on bump stocks. This device should be outlawed and only available to those holding a class 3 license.
The NRA has allowed the LEFT to take them off target, the problem is not the gun, it’s the person holding it. Our founding fathers created the SECOND ADMENDENT to allow the average citizen to stand up against a tyrannical government. We the People should has access to what ever weapon we are being threatened with..
When is the NRA and any real conservative in our government get tough and stand for the PEOPLE. Criminals do not obey the law, it’s a waist of time to create more laws. SHAME ON THE NRA
A Good Guy with a Gun is the best defense against a Bad Guy with a Gun since the Police cannot be everywhere (and the “Bad Guys” know this very well) so if the police cannot be everywhere through no fault of their own , they can only establish a “Crime Scene ” and investigate after the fact
Agreed. Somebody to outline your body with white tape
I have a shirt with the message “I carry a gun because cops are heavy!”
I don’t see any need for bump fire stocks. I’ve seen them and they just look like trouble and I don’t feel that by Banning these stocks that my rights are going to be infringed upon. I would be in agreement that there needs to be some kind of Regulation.
As an avid hunter and outdoors-man, I personally have no need for bump stock ownership. Strategically it may or may not be smart to restrict bump stocks. Giving the left any leverage whatsoever with additional firearms restrictions compromises the position of firearms ownership. That said, automatic weapons are already restricted so frankly gun owners lose little. Myself along with millions of other gun owners however recognize firearms legislation is not the problem, people are the problem but we live in a society where people have little commons sense, problem solving skills and the ability to see thru what is actually happening in America. My final answer is I would never support bump stock legislation but I don’t like the idea they exist and are accessible to many people that somehow feel empowered by them.
We don’t need a fully automatic weapon. I don'[t agree with the NRA on this issue..
If we give in to this plan to BAN bump stocks ,Then what is next? I saw a video of a man using his belt loop of his trousers to perform the same action..Maybe this is opening up Pandora’s Box..
I support the Second Amendment
100%however I do not see the need for these types of stocks other than for fun and having one.
I in no way believe that a ban on these stocks would have prevented the jerk in NV. from his
actions other than the possibility of not having the Mass casualties.
He would have found another way
to inflict mass casualties as he was mentally challenged or unhinged if you will.
The NRA has done a marginal job protecting our 2nd Amend. right. They repeatedly compromised & settled on “common sense” legislation when they should be fighting to remove restrictions & promote the organization of the militia. They focused for to long on “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” they have forgotten the collective right of “Well organized militia being necessary for the security of a free State”. If we are well organized as a defense force the the anti-gun groups & legislators will less likely attempt to infringe on any of our rights.
Obama approved these Bump Stocks with a Democrat Communist congress—–so tell them to shut up
@KIRK’s comment: “A Well-Regulated militia”,is the Phraseology;BUT,(knee jerkers),it MEANT,in 1770,NOTHING about ‘Regulations”;instead,roughly translates to:”in GOOD ORDER/repair/..ALSO,the NRAs statement PHRASEOLOGY:”is open to a Review,”by ..ATFE( translates as: “OK,let’s EXAMINE the Question,”)…
Im NRA-life (¬ a spokesman); also,CCRKBA; SAF; (& OTHERS).. & ALL need to ALLOW the TRAGEDY, “spalifeso that,CLEAR THOUGHT, (not the Antis/Lefts “EMOTION”), is What prevails.
It is Natural,to “Want to DO SOMETHING!!”(a NUT,just MASSECRED many.& MOST HERE,would have TRIED TO STOP that NUT,in Progress/before/during?))##.LAWS didn’t,CRIMINALS pay NO ATTENTION to Laws (crime= BROKEN LAW).
I never tried THAT modification:(recoil absorbtion?Any have a Damaged shoulder?) & Banning it,do you BELIEVE will STOP it being Accessible (or,manufactored in China, etc??)
Libs/Left/Banners NEVER stop ;NO mass shootings?” Invent ANOTHER reason..”..as long as I’ve Lived..&fought FOR our RIGHTS, No matter WHAT,this battle CONTINUES; THEY ultimately WANT DISARMAMENT..
I’ve “had issues”,with “NRA’EXEC Board” ,before; (&TIME proved me WRONG,each time,/minus, “Business behavior” at launch of an INSURANCE program,vs,USCCA’s.;the MARKET will settle That question(& USCCA remains NRA-supporting).
Time to COOL down,& a Promise to RE-look at a question?? NRA-Life ,I STAY.. Dont LET the ANTI-libs DIVIDE US; allow the Families time to BEGIN to deal with TRAGEDY.
” From MY cold dead hands”, a Patriot Nra President SAID,,& THAT is when they take MINE,too..
Diogenees comment????TYPO!!!!(me;)REPAIR OR DELETE,please?
>>>> “space ,”,so that CLEAR THOUGHT(& NOT the ANTIs & Lefts ‘EMOTION”.) ……. thanks,em …..
Last i EVER Post here,Ngoa….you are as bad as Dudley Brown & Nagr…(Fix a typo”,or DELETE the Comment”?is TOO HARD for you? NRA/ AFF,wasnt any problem FOR THEM)…(&BLM,,anti-cop(?),poster?(“all Are AFRAID”,see MY pic?).. 40 years Fighting is ENOUGH for me..”you GO,girl!” (my bunkers BUILT a LONG time/any with HALF A BRAIN ,can “illegally modify”,a Firearm…I AM “LAW ABIDING”,so i NEVER will ..(unless SHTF,&no Law LEFT; then,it’s “AS NEEDED”.)…WELL AIMED shots,I never NEEDED a”machine gun”,hunting..or PROTECTING HOME & family.(BUT,*intent of 2A;>Military EQUIVALENT<,& DO not INFRINGE!!)..NO sense ,here in LIB-central,to advertise ANY aspect of my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS,at all.let alone,my ID…Cops have HUNTED my land;I taught THEIR kids FIREARM SAFETY..they CALL,before 'stopping over".. .
You had a guy go nuts, that is what happened. Banning guns or types of guns does nothing to lessen gun crimes. In the countries where there is a total ban, crimes against the unarmed helpless population are 60 % higher than the USA.
How about highlighting Chicago where it only takes a few weeks to kill 59 people. Chicago is a no guns zone almost. All they have done is creating a huge class of victims. Remember, criminals do not obey the law so gun laws have no effect on their crimes
Besides we now need to defend this country against the homegrown Antifa Terrorists that proclaim to be starting a civil war by shooting cops and conservatives on Nov. 4th
I’ll keep my full rights intact to defend myself and my family, thank you very much.
Gun owners can support reasonable regulation on the bump stock that converts a semi automatic to a full automatic. If we gun owners/NRA members don’t support reasonable regulation on this device, the democrat party will say, ‘We told you so. Gun owners, the NRA and the 2nd amendment are irresponsible and EVIL’. The democrat party will us this issue to win elections and become the majority for decades. Not only will the democrat party repeal the 2nd amendment, they will shove their agenda up our a…….!
Bump stock does not make it full automatic!
Really any shape or form? Just YouTube bump stock and watch how they fire over 500 rounds a minute. People like you are the problem. Sounds like you on a wheel going and don’t know much about firing any sort of semi-automatic weapon especially a machine gun another freaking goof.
The NRA has a long history of betraying real conservative values. This latest betrayal comes as no surprise to me.
The dems and some republicans are willing to take OUR God given from WE THE PEOPLE.
The NRA (No Rifle Association) stabbed us in the back in 1986, which is when I gave up my membership and joined Gun Owners of America.
Anytime you give the anti gun people one thing they want more.
Will the politicians give up their security detail with automatic weapons? We “little people “know the answer to that.
The first thing I am sending prayers to the family and friends who lost their love ones due to this very sick person. I don’t agree with everything that’s being said its not the gun fault its the person who pulls trigger is the killer, The bump stock does not make the fully auto its only giving the affect to feel like a fully auto, pretty much the same as pulling the trigger faster. I also blame ATF , for not putting a red flag on someone buying a lot of guns at one time. This person had enough ammo and guns for a small army, the dealer should have called and check to see if ATF had anything on a person buying as many 20 assault rifles at one time. They ATF also fell short on 911, when the bad guys paid to learn how to fly with cash and did not want to learn how to land or take off the plane only learn how to fly it. There should have been a red flag thrown then. I am just wondering what ATF is doing if anything.
Murder is murder if it’s done with a bomb, a sword, poison gas, a car, or a gun. Laws do not stop criminals and evil. Laws allow society to punish those who break the laws. When punishment for broken laws are not enforced then what good is the law?
Bump stocks were made legal during the Obama administration and people have found good uses for them. People who modify their weapons into an illegal weapon are breaking the law. So you already have laws stating you cannot turn a semi automatic weapon into a full automatic weapon without going through the government paperwork and paying your tax stamp.
We don’t outlaw pressure cookers since the Boston Marathon murders, we don’t outlaw cars when they are used in bombings, driving through crowds of people.
How many years has drunk driving been outlawed and how many thousands of people are killed and injured for life? And yet our focus is on more laws and blaming anyone except the murderer.
There are entire villages that have been hacked to death without firing a single Bullet. You will not be able to stop evil or stop people from doing acts of violence. The gang bangers carrying weapons are not legally purchasing those weapons and do not have legal permits to carry those weapons.
I read a very compelling article comparing Chicago to Houston. It discussed the population, the race component percentages etc etc. In Chicago there were no stores that sold weapons and Houston had over 1000 stores that sold weapons. The statistical data on number of people shot by guns and number of people that were killed by guns was lopsided. Chicago has more deaths and more people injured than Houston. I cannot remember the number so I don’t want to misquote but it was several thousand more in Chicago then in Houston. I thought the report clearly illustrated you can out law guns, ban the sale of guns and yet people will still get there hands on them and do evil.
One point before I close. If you were to tell people supporting more bans on guns more laws…. these same people would argue with you until they died that banning alcohol and marijuana could save thousands of lives from death, hundreds of thousands could be sparred from other crimes associated with drugs and alcohol. They would say prohibition didn’t work and people will make alcohol and grow marijuana so we might as well “legalize “ it since we can’t stop it. And yet that is what they want to do with guns, they want to try and stop crime by legislation.
2nd Ammendment allows good law biding citizens to own weapons to protect themselves, their family their homes businesses and this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Stand up and don’t let the government take away your rights and freedom.
There is no need for bump stocks if you cant pull the trigger fast enough with your finger then to bad.
At some point we need to draw the line, I don’t want to loose my guns but I don’t see the need to alter them either. We need to compromise or we will loose it all. I am a NRA endowment member and I believe they are doing the right thing in this case.
Pick your battles. Do you want to spend, potentially millions, fighting over the rights of MAYBE 1% of gun owners to play with a toy or do you want to focus on things that will affect all gun owners like reciprocity or suppressor legislation? Let Hillary look the fool for making a big deal out of a device she couldn’t make work if she got lessons.
If the NRA membership cannot see that it is time to address the issue more seriously and help come up with a solution to these insane automatic guns then I have no respect for them. There is no need for anything more then a good bolt action rifle for hunting or even recreational shooting. It’s time to show some moral leadership
https://youtu.be/FOwy9OWfnAM
You’re statement is ignorant.
I personally see no practical use for bump fire stocks. From what I have seen in video’s
from people using them they’re not very accurate. Functionally they seem to expend
an excessive amount of costly ammo basically spraying it in a short amount of time i.e. simulating automatic fire. Does it make a semi-automatic rifle a machine gun? I think not because it takes a considerable amount of time for someone using one to proficiently keep the rate of fire constant. Would I own one? Possibly. Do I currently own one? No. Do I see it as a necessary accessory for an M4 Variant? No. I consider them a novelty with no practical use and a very costly accessory. In all honesty I don’t believe that I’d miss the opportunity to own one if they were banned. Anyone using one should also consider the damage they can cause to your barrel , gas tube and foregrip from excessive heating. That to me is far more important considering what the costs of either building an M4 Variant or Ak-47 type rifle incur.
Sorry, I stand with the NRA on this. I would rather them regulate a bump stock, which I have no need or practical purpose for, and continue to fight for our rights to purchase actual practical items such as supressors. I personally do not feel betrayed by this action. I watched interviews with Wayne and Chris yesterday, I understand the thought process behind the statement. I personally have no desire and see no need in owning a bump stock. One of my family members owns one and even he has only used it a couple of times. It’s only purpose is to dispense a lot of ammo in a short amount of time and personally, I would rather enjoy my rifle with practical and precision shooting. Others may be able to afford to send hundreds of rounds downrange thoughtlessly, I am not one of them.
To each their own, but I see no problem with this. Keep the libtards busy with bump stocks and we can focus on practical and necessary accessories and gun rights in general.
The NRA stands for and protects our 2nd Amendment rights and I have no doubt they will continue to do this.
Excellent comment, Michael. I agree 100%.
I would also like to question the NGOA’s stance on this issue, considering that they are, at least in theory, “competition” for the NRA. Does the NGOA feel that this “kink in the NRA’s armor”, will open the door for them, and several other, smaller, far less influential, gun organizations, to step in, and fill the void of all those NRA members, expected to be leaving in droves, now that the NRA has “betrayed” them?
May I remind everyone here, that while we may or may not always agree with everything the NRA stands for (myself included), they are now, and have for many years, been our loudest, and strongest voice, on the national level. I for one, will not be leaving the NRA. I WILL however, be watching to see what, if anything, the NGOA will do or say, regarding this, and other matters, relating to gun legislation, at the national level. I was once members of both the New York State Rifle & Pistol Assoc., and the Westchester County Firearms Owners Assoc., and I can tell you, for all their bluster over the inequities of State & Local gun laws, their bark was worse than their bite! New York State’s gun laws, are among the strictest, and most restrictive, in the nation, not to mention, the back-room deals cut in Albany, to get these travesties passed, .. but the two organizations mentioned, had little, if any, influence in these processes. .. Yet, believe you me, they had absolutely no problems with mailing out their “Membership Renewal” info, each year!
No, my friends, it’s not the NRA “selling us out”, as some have suggested. It is however, the NGOA (among others) exploiting a perceived weakness, for their own gain!
… But here’s the best part: No matter how critical this comment is of their organization, I can guarantee you, the NGOA is still going to send me updates, “join our org.” come-ons, and / or membership renewal notices, like clickwork!
What if one of those 57 people was your wife or family? How would you feel? Why Bump Stock? Senseless?
I am for banning the BUMP STOCK. It is something that probably never should have been invented. There is no reason for a fully automatic weapon – other that in the military. First and foremost, not many people who have not been in the military have been taught how to operate an automatic weapon. Someone with no training is going to just spray bullets (kind of like the shooter in Las Vegas).. Why would anyone need an automatic weapon for home defense? I think that the biggest thing the NRA can do is keep fighting to have the Federal Gun Laws that are on the books now enforced and enforced to the maximum extent of t he law.
You can bump fire using a rubber band. Look it up on you tube.
While I have mixed feelings about bump stocks, I too would question the necessity of their use. There is no need in hunting or target shooting to have an automatic weapon and, while I have a number of legal semi autos, including pistols, I would probably be quite hesitant to use an automatic, as it would make a hell of a mess and would almost always be lethal in home use. Besides, the NRA said they would “review” the bump fire stocks, not call for a ban on them. I am a great supporter of the second amendment, but there are times when I feel that it is not the be-all and end-all that everyone portrays it to be.
Look, this person was a maniac. If he didn’t have enough firepower in one weapon, he would just go to another one. How about those explosives he had in his possession?
lets be real Bump Stocks are not in anyway a working part of any rifle or hand gun
we gun owners can all agree that the NRA is not the one manufacturing these Bump Stocks. So lets not blame them for something that they did not produce.
as for me personally I say band them we don’t need them and we should not want them out their it only gives them more reasons to hate gun owners
I had decided years ago to no longer support the NRA and have not renewed my membership. They, like most of the repubes have let us down too many times. The is no such thing as sensible gun control. It’s all just eye wash. If they cave on this “sensible” gun control it is to far fetched to believe they won’t go further at some point. If they truly believe that they only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, then they cannot believe in any restriction. They caved back in the 30’s on the full auto ban. If they believe the gun is just a tool and that it’s the person that causes these murders, why would they acquiesce? They apparently don’t believe they’re own rhetoric. They’re in it for the money just like the pols. Glad to say they’re no longer taking me for a sucker. The problem won’t be solved by trying to limiting our liberty. The problem is society not a product. This whole Las Vegas deal is way too weird to react like the liberals, but here we are like lost sheeple following along to our demise. You give on this and soon semi-autos will go next..
Yup, the NRA erroneously believes this will appease and satisfy the liberals, but the liberals will never stop trying to illegally and unconstitutionally limit/ban or second amendment rights. They will not be happy until confiscation of firearms from the common citizen occurs. The liberal politicians, celebrities, and wealthy will be able to keep their armed guards. It’s not about firearms, it’s about control. They want to control every aspect of our lives and make us ever more reliant on the federal govt so they can control us. They also want our firearms so we cannot exercise the real reason behind the 2A – so the citizens could overthrow and abusive and tyrannical govt not abiding by the constitution. Our forefatehers has the wisdom to give us the rights to the same firearms as the govt and military andd is scares the politicians to death.
Don’t let their consistent talking points and noise fool you…..
Keep me posted!! Let me know when we are cancelling membership That should be a clear enough message !!!!!!
Allow people to have the bump fire stocks just register them like a fire arm you only need one not more than a dozen. I fully support the Second Amendment I also own several guns both pistols and rifles.
I copied and pasted a post because it was articulate and stated what I believe.
“I believe in the 2nd Amendment, and agree that we should be able to purchase and carry for protection of myself and family. I do not believe that automatic weapons, like the ones used in the Las Vegas Massacre, are necessary for personal protection. I agree with any amendment which allows bump stocks for the purpose of making a weapon automatic. See no need for automatic weapons. NRA is right to consider banning the bump stocks.”
Well said, friend.
Since 1932 automatic weapons have been regulated by the ATF. Bump stocks also need be regulated by the ATF as automatic,weapons. Otherwise,, street gangs,will obtain them and cities like New York, Washington D.C.,Chicago and other cities will become killing fields like Las Vegas on a daily basis.
Bump stocks have been available for years. They don’t make a weapon “full auto.”
Really another statement like that? YouTube it 500 rounds a minute or more come on man get real. No reason for bump stocks. Done
Tough call! It’s almost as if U give an inch, nancy CUNTilosi and ILK inc. will take a mile so better to NOT give in at all? On the other hand, if the guy REALLY used this device to SPRAY bullets into this gathering, then it’s morally and ethically the thing to do to monitor the sale and production of them??? The problem is we may NEVER learn the truth from the gub’ment on what he used, was he ALONE, and HOW he was able to move this much artillery into this hotel with NO ONE noticing??? Are those cameras all over the place in Vegas just for show & NOT real???
My heart goes out to all the victims for their lives lost that will forever be unfulfilled, to the wounded and scarred, to the witnesses and first responders, to the friends, families and countless others touched by this murderous attack. Let us not forget them; however, let us also not forget the endgame of the Left is the total ban or confiscation of firearms. Period.
The Left will use this tragedy to push for a “bump stock” ban; they have nothing to lose. If they win, they will next go after vertical grips, adjustable butt stocks, bayonet lugs, lasers, red dot sights, night and thermal vision scopes and of course standard 20 and 30 round magazines and drum mags. Their position will be none these are necessary for hunting or home defense.
The Left will play off our emotions, exploit the understandable weakness that right now, enough “reasonable” men and women will agree with them on banning bump stocks. Legislation will be introduced and may pass enacting a ban. These same “reasonable” people, in the height of emotion, who may vote for a ban now, will not allow themselves to rationally accept this is just the first step in the Left’s attack. This is not a rational time.
Commonsense legislation removing suppressors from the NFA and introduction of concealed carry reciprocity have both been stalled, in part, by this tragedy. The Left holds them hostage. You may not care about the fate of bump stocks now but when the Left comes after something you do care about, where will you turn?
Shame on the NRA for signaling their willingness to sacrifice bump stocks on the altar of gun control.
This is just another excuse for the left to try and take away our rights as law abiding citizens. No matter what we lose it’s not going to make a difference with people like the Las Vegas shooter because they will still get any kind of weapon or anything else they desire to carry out their cowardly attacks. The NRA knows this and I don’t understand why they would side with the leftist liberals. There must be money changing hands somewhere.
Easy to put blame on something that has nothing to do with what happened!
The real point here is that banning bump stocks will not stop violent crime. It is just another piece of useless paper. Another push to turn the US into Nazi Germany. Remember Hitler took away the guns from his population to protect them from violent crime. That did not work out so good.
A PERSON WITH ANY SHOOTING SKILLS GOOD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING IN VEGAS WITH SEMI AUTO OR BOLT ACTION WITH A LESS AMMO WE ALL WANT TO PUT THE BLAME ON SOMETHING.
The NRA said it supported a REVIEW of bump stocks. This isn’t the same as supporting an outright ban. No one has been betrayed (yet). Agreeing to talk and listen is not the same as yielding your position. However, Rick (at 1:06p.m.) said it best in the battle vs war comment, I believe.
Oh, and if you feel your life is somehow incomplete without having the thrill of firing an automatic weapon, the Marines, the US Army, and yes, the Air Force are always looking for “a few good men, and now, women”. Go for it!!
Why can’t gun owners for personal protection or sport apply any common sense or logic to this discussion. NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE GUNS USED FOR THE ABOVE.
DO TOU REALLY NEED BUMP STOCKS SILENCERS OR AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO HUNT. NO! Do you need them to protect your family…NO!
THE ONLY ORACTICAL USE IS MASS KILLINGS SUCH AS IN WARS OR AS USED IN VEGAS. STOP THE HYSTERICAL TACTICS AND ATTEMPT TO BECOME CIVILIZED AND RATIONAL.
NOW I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE EMOTIONAL HYSTERICAL AND UNCIVILIZED RESPONSES OF THOSE WHO DONT RESPECT LIFE.
I had a weapon in the service. The responsibility of having a gun is huge. If you have kids, you must keep your weapons locked away where they are not easily accessed. Even your ammunition must be monitored. It is an extra thing to worry about. I’ll let others own guns. I have enough things to worry about.
BUMP STOCKS DON’T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO. NRA NEEDS TO STICK TO THAT AND KEEP FIGHTING TO KEEP OUR RIGHTS TOGETHER WITH NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTTS.
I as a long time NRA member can believe that you would agree to this line of thinking and action.
If you do this, what is next? This attachment is not something I would use in hunting or competition
shooting, but by design IT IS NOT A N AUTOMATIC WEAPON. I would classify it as an entertaining
item for the “guys” at the gun range, or possibly for self defense in a difficult situation. I prefer to aim
my shots carefully so as not to endanger life or limb, and be as appropriate as possible while hunting.
All this is is ANOTHER ATTEMPT to move the process to remove ALL firearms from the population.
We as members need to contact the NRA leaders, remind and encourage them to hold fast the
CORRECT interpretation of the 2nd amendment.
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I was on the AMU for a year, I shot pistols for a living for 1.5 years. I hunt pistol, rifle, bow, black powder. I’d never heard of a bump stock before this. I have no need for one. I don’t even know how they work and don’t care. They sound stupid. As a shooter, you are responsible not to point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy; you are responsible not to put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire. I’m having a lot of difficulty determining how you place an accurate shot if the firearm is bouncing back and forth off your shoulder. They clearly seem like a “workaround” of the automatic weapons ban; in my mind, no different than filing the sear. I think the automatic weapons ban is a good idea. I think reasonable limits on weapons ownership, e.g., grenades, rpgs, explosives are reasonable. I think the automatic weapons ownership limits are reasonable. You want a full auto? Get a class III license, I have one for my suppressed rifle. I don’t think the NRA should fight to overturn the ban on filing a sear….I don’t think the NRA should support bump stocks. If we get extreme and stupid, then it undermines all of our very reasonable standings on the 2nd amendment. I know to the left it doesn’t matter, give them an inch, they’ll take a mile. What you want to do here is say, yes, okay, bump stocks violate the ban on full auto weapons, and put that in a bill. in the same bill, you put language that says, “this bill in no way restricts any other firearm or device or magazine or accessory including suppressors, magazines, sights, polymer rifles, straight line rifle designs, semi auto military style rifles, etc.”
You pass this and it reaffirms the illegality of the “assault weapons ban” which REALLY WAS an attempt to get a foot in the door to banning all guns. I haven’t needed a bump stock for the last 43 years i’ve been shooting, I’m not sending my money to the NRA to defend novelty devices, that make a weapon inaccurate, and reduces it to a state where the only way it can hit a target is if there a sea of indiscriminate targets in front of it.
Reasonable weapons legislation is fine. Gun control, registration and bans are not fine. I would be pleased if the NRA used this issue to make a distinction and differentiate between these two issues.
I do not own a bump stock and see no reason for me to own one. However, the Founders intended for the citizens to be armed as well as the military. The bump stock is a step in that direction.. We have seen that if you give the government an INCH, they will take a MILE.. I am disappointed in the NRA for taking that position. I have read many of the comments here and they all have some validity.
Full Auto Weapons have been illegal for several decades. WHY do you need to pretend that any Civilian use for Full Auto equivalents have ANY functional purpose. You don’t see anyone complaining about not being able to buy Grenades, Rocket Launchers, Bazookas, Claymore Mines, etc. do you?
If there is a reasonable way of restricting bump stocks without opening the door to diminishing our 2nd Amendment Rights then it may be a pacifier to the anti gunners. However, IMHO this would be the 1st step in more changes required by anti-gunners. I abhor the murders but I also abhor the murders on our highways caused by careless, inattentive, intoxicated and High drivers. Where is the uproar on our highway deaths?????
Taking action at this point before the investigation findings and autopsy findings are released is premature as they may find the actual cause of why the shooter went berserk and wanted to kill so many people. Taking action now is comparable to putting the cart before the horse. Let the findings lead us to corrective action.
Was he on Mind Altering drugs? If so then he would be in the same condition as many previous shooters which may explain why he did the atrocious act.
you are all idiots,
the 2nd amadment says,
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
NOWHERE DOES IT MENTION THE RIGHT FOR MASSS MURDER nor does it take into account the weapons now that are so complex as to be completely inconceivable at the time it was written.
it needs to be amended and stricter laws need to be in place and these type weapons SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO KILL AND MAIM HUMANS are taken out of the general population.
by the way, I am a 10 year veteran and honorably served my country.
How many of you can say that ?
Many of us have had military experience Greg. You are not alone. But it appears you forget WHY you served.
The 2nd Amendment was not much about hunting or sport as it was about 1) defense of self, family and others and especially 2) to have the ability to stop a tyrannical government.
They understood the greater danger of a government that completely oppresses unarmed citizens.
As for our forefather’s foresight into today’s technology, they may not have exactly seen what was to come, but they understood technological advances very well. Ben Franklin was the greatest inventor of their time.
If we said we have to go back to muskets, then all news agencies must go back to hand rolled presses and no electronic media! The dangers of an uncontrolled and colluding media are much more than the .0000001% of the gun owners who cause problems. And it certainly is. It about the guns or instruments they use. It is about their deranged mindsets.
Our Bill of Rights is based in individual rights in a Republican form of government. It is not a democracy with collective rights. Nowhere is the word “democracy” mentioned in either the Declaration of Independence or our Constitution!
So when do we ban alcohol cigarettes fast cars and everything else that kills indirectly, a firearm is a tool just like a tractor trailer is to it’s driver we need to use common sense you don’t see the above mentioned items being accused of killing when in fact they do each and every day. And now they are going after suppressor’s magazine’s and probably ammo as well it’s the beginning of the Clinton ban with even more in it. Idiots plain and SIMPLE!!!!!
The idea that anyone needs to “Spray and Pray” using ANYTHING that allows a Semi-Auto to act like it is a Full Automatic is Ridiculous! Even the Military has opted to train for Single Fire or 3-Round Burst and has recommended ELIMINATING the Selector for Full Auto on the M-16! Why?: Because IT IS INACCURATE, WASTES PRECIOUS AMMUNITION, AND LEADS TO MISFIRES AND JAMS DUE TO BARREL OVERHEATING!
In the Civilian World, this would include Bumpstocks, spring action trigger guard repeaters, etc.
Seems you don’t understand purpose.
In the battle field, full auto is not about accuracy. It is about laying down rapid fire on the enemy so that our personnel can move around with less enemy fire upon them.
It also makes it easier to defend against massive enemy attacks, keeping them from advancing too fast.
Make these fall into the same realm of the class three license to own. A tax stamp and registration will take care of this. They NEED TO BE available to people who desire them, not just banned. Banning would create a high angle of decent for a slope that dems desire. Make no mistake about any of this. The liberals DESIRE. WANT and RALLY for the full banning of semi-automatic weapons.
Make these fall into the same realm of the class three license to own. A tax stamp and registration will take care of this. They NEED TO BE available to people who desire them, not just banned. Banning would create a high angle of decent for a slope that dems desire. Make no mistake about any of this. The liberals DESIRE. WANT and RALLY for the full banning of semi-automatic weapons.
I am a fervent 2nd amendment supporter, but why in the world does anyone need a bump stock? WHY? You can’t protect your family in your home with a shotgun or semi-automatic weapon? I read where they were originally developed/intended for people with a disability to help them operate the weapon. Sorry, if you aren’t able to hold a weapon and pull the trigger with your fingers then you shouldn’t have that weapon. Automatic weapons have been illegal to own (unless you have a special license and the ATF approves the transfer/purchase) since 1986 and bump stocks essentially turn a semiautomatic into an automatic weapon. So they should be illegal, end of story! For that matter why should anyone be able to legally purchase/own an operational fully automatic weapon? There is absolutely no sporting or hunting NEED for such a weapon!
The same goes for silencers. This argument that hunters need a silencer to protect their hearing is hogwash and you know it! There are several kinds of hearing protection available. There will be no good story’s concerning silencer use if they are made legal across the board! Poaching and depraved sniper(s) taking out people one at a time are but two of the nightmare scenarios you’ll see when silencers are readily available.
If the NRA doesn’t start disavowing itself from these totally unnecessary and ridiculous needs/proposals (bump stocks, fully automatic weapons, silencers) the majority of the public will eventually turn against guns in general as these depraved mass shootings continue, Then when the libtardss get in power again (which they will sooner than later with the do nothing republican congress that we now have) we will be lucky if we can own even a single shot revolver, rifle, or shotgun.
Your arguments fully depict you as an opponent of 2nd Amendment as it is apparent you don’t understand the reason for it in the first place. And that includes bump stocks (which by the way, you don’t need one to make a semiauto fire like a full auto) and suppressors (they are not silencer as they do not silence anything!)
Typical liberal who says he supports it but argues against it.
If you’re truly a 2A supporter, then why don’t you help us educate the ignorant, that it has nothing to do with the instrument and everything to do with the actor who inappropriately uses that instrument?
If one reads what you are saying, then it’s hard to believe that you are a supporter of the 2nd. You sound more like a libtard then most of the real libtards. TROLL……
BINGO!!! Good for you tom well put post!
yes they all were on anti-depressents
If a person has the training with a pistol or a rifle l see no problem with a bump stock.l am a life member of the NRA
Regardless of what is sold, quantities should be a factor to check out. Thousands of rounds, number of weapons, types of arms? The Vegas shooter raised all kinds of flags!! Checking all these different locations, changing arms to automatic and hauling them into a busy location. Do they hand out warm milk and pillows to people responsible for the checks on our loony tunes population?
I am a retired LEO and a retired military cop. I agree with the theory of “losing the battle, but winning the war”. Why fight for an item that is not practical, but is a “play-pretty” for an extreme minority of firearm owners? I am a fervent supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but it is not wise to fight for something that is nothing more than a novelty item. Why do people emotionally support bump stocks when this just adds fuel to the fire for the liberals? Rational gun-owners would much rather avoid fighting for bump stocks and concentrate on fighting for rock solid gun right issues. Don’t you see, rather than weakening our fight, this makes our position much stronger. This issue reminds me of the scene played out at many gun ranges. Down on the end of the firing line you will see the balding grey-haired gentleman shooting nice, tight groupings….while many others have targets with complete misses, Oh..but the “rush” they get from the gun-blasts. Thank you NRA.
You have a CCP or you have training with a pistol or a rifle l see no problem with a bump stock. I am a life member of the NRA and a Veteran of Nam
I think that the current laws are good, however, automatic gun fire should continued as it is and the ATF is wrong on their interpretation of bump stocks. IT IS AUTOMATIC WEAPONIZATION! Sure it’s fun to go to special events designed to shoot automatic guns, but the procurement and use should remain restricted. Sport shooting is all about accuracy and skill of hitting a target, not spraying and praying! And who needs a machine gun for self-defense? I haven’t seen masses of zombies walking around yet although I have seen some people walking around like zombies, usually though they have a cell phone to their ear and pose no real danger to the public.
You don’t need a “slide fire” stock to bump fire. Bump firing can be done,with standard furniture. Its easier with a pistol grip. I’ve seen it done 100s of times to the same effect.
I’m a gun owner, w/cc permit. To ban or regulate the bump-stock has nothing to do with the 2nd Amend. I would like to know what anyone needs a bump fire stock for? Hand-guns are for sport or self defense. It seems to me this product is more offensive than defense. I could be wrong, change my mind…
Impeach Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox of the NRA.
You’re just making it a full auto. Go get your fed license, because it’ll probably be regulated as a full auto. We can trust the judgment of the NRA.
Do your research – bump stock does not equal “full auto.”
YouTube it and watch. Then you will learn.
A lot of posters here need to use the spell checker. You appear to be a bunch of morons, making the rest of us look the same! I have no use for a bump stock, but I don’t want to compromise our rights away to the likes of Billery, Piglosi, or any of those libtards!
You cannot shoot accurately using a bumpstock……get rid of them !!!
Putting a ban on an item that we may need to protect ourselves in the coming conflagration is a very bad idea. I would support a background check for bump stocks but not an outright ban. This is a very slippery slope that can and will be used to the advantage of the socialist left to kill the second amendment. As we all know, the second amendment is the protection for all of the other amendments to our Constitution and of our society as a whole. When the forces we may have to fight have automatic weapons we will be at a distinct disadvantage. Capitulation on this issue might seem like a small thing to some but I assure you that it is of major consequence in the overall scheme of the right to bear arms. Fascist, socialist and communist forces are gathering strength and are waging a war on our constitutional rights. Please do not allow the crazies to dictate the rules of the asylum! Our second amendment right is the only barrier to the loony lefts assault on our free republic.
Wake up people. Do you really think you can appease the anti 2nd amendment socialist liberals by “giving them this one” concerning bump stocks? Have some of you people not learned anything about anti 2nd amendment anti gun socialist liberals over the years? Some of you people on here asking the question “what do you NEED one of those for”, do you same people even realize that is the same question the anti gunners have been asking us gun owners about our AR rifles, standard capacity magazines, silencers and many other firearm related items, “what do you NEED one of for”. You people should have easily learned by now that it is not about ONE firearm or firearm related item to them, their ultimate goal is NO PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP. ALL the seemingly insignificant tiny baby steps add up and are in the direction of doing away with private gun ownership. Again, WAKE UP PEOPLE, you can’t negotiate or compromise your precious 2nd amendment rights away, because in the end you are still giving them away. “What do you NEED one for” is only a socialist liberal way to get you to justify your decisions to THEIR standards, dont fall for it, for it is a trap.
Stay with the U.S.. CONSTITUTION ! Why should a shooter give a _____ about a stiffer regulation ?
I read thru all the comments thus far AND:
I agree the bump stock should be regulated as an automatic weapon & require registration.
I am a gun owner, hunter & collector of & with Longguns, Pistols, Bows & crossbows as well as black powder!
I have a ranch rifle/WWII .30cal. carbine/AR-15 & AK-47 within my collection, all simi-automatic. I have taught many people to respect & shoot firearms for their 1st time. I have had the pleasure of training foreign visitors from Japan/Germany/Mexico/Asia to name a few. I would love to train more from countries which restrict gun ownership.
I am former military, have hunted since I was 6 years old w/my father & now w/ my old friends in our golden years. I didn’t notice anyone mention how shooting @ 400 feet or even 400 yards from AN ELIVATED POSITION, into a crowd of 20-30,000 jampacked-shoulder-to-shoulder group of innocents are most likely to be hit w/ automatic fire than from a single well aimed shot? INTERESTING HUH?! Yes, please regulate this modification & this should help fight against sick stupid crazies, at least slow them down & save lives.
I support the NRA!
Another smart man good for you.
Could the NRA have possibly forgotten that the desires of the Anti Gun Lobby are insatiable, that any “flexibility” serves only to encourage demands for more. Could they have forgotten the maneuvering that led to enactment of the Gun Control Actof 1968, if they have, others haven’t.. Are they on the way to blowing it once again? One would hope no, one would expect not, but then anyone with any historical memory must be wondering.
Everyone needs to know that the Gun Control Act of 1968 fostered by none other than, you guessed it, Ted (Chappaquiddick-Mary Jo Kopechne [R.I.P.] Kennedy and it was very close to a translation of Hitlers Gun Control Act of 1938 into english. History records what horrific acts by the Nazis followed that piece of regulatory garbage.
Totally okay with banning bumpstocks, they are a dull tool I see no usefulness to them.
A dull tool like you?
So a few people died but what’s more important? Saving all our gun rights or a few unfortunate persons? Our guns are for defense so if they are misused should we all suffer?
I can’t wait for ‘silencer’ to be approved.
TOTAL MORON!!! Do you respect anything? Somehow I highly doubt it.
So a few people died? Obviously you didn’t have any family in Las Vegas at that concert. I have no words for you except the ones I’ve already given in my other post . This Board needs a moderator.
Our 2nd amendment rights should not be infringed upon because of a few crazed, immoral, murderers that use guns to murder folks. We need to BAN ALL POLITICIANS THAT HAVEN’T KEPT THEIR OATH OF OFFICE, (Pelozie, McCain, Chuck-U Shumer, Diane Frankenstein, Maxine whatever her name is……..this is absurd …its just another infringement on our rights….
We need a lot more information before any conclusions are jumped to. We need to know did this man act alone or in collusion with others, was he planning this type of action for years or was this a spur of the moment thing, was he a patsy of the liberal bad actors, his life is a mystery and needs to be sorted out, was he on mind altering medication? We need a lot more facts before any decisions are made one way or the other.
The NRA has promoted huge support for law enforcement, and has attempted to draw support by police unions. Law enforcement has no regard for the Constitution or our amendment rights. The 4th amendment is violated constantly without any recourse by the citizens. The second amendment is ignored every time they happen to see a gun. Why then does the NRA support outrageous violations of our rights ??
I am a firm believer in the 2A and I believe this is a knee jerk reaction to a very sad and tragic event. But like all the other shootings that have occurred over the past several years you cannot blame or punish all law abiding gun owners for the criminal actions of one or two people. Since the Obama administration legalized the bumpfire stocks in 2010 millions of these things have been sold and this is the first time that one has been used to commit such a heinous act. I personally do not think they should be banned. If they want to do something make it an FFL item. But even with that if someone wants to get hold of one to commit a crime they will do it no matter what just like firearms. Don’t ban something that millions of people own just because one person used one while committing a crime.
I’ve got a bump stock for these liberal faulse flag shadow government fuck’s,make a vaginal incision where there nose used to be and skull fuck them! Giving them a new set of BRAIN’S!
You sir are the problem. I live in Illinois it took us forever to get the right to carry. One of the toughest states to get it in. And you talk like that. What are you 12 years old?
This Board needs a moderator for people like you.
Bottom line it is not the add ons or guns used, it is the person.
Banning anything gun related is the start of sliding down a very slippery slope. The NRA should know this better than anyone. If they think they will have more support by being politically correct and if Trump thinks this also, they are both in for a rude awakening. My support for both will be gone.
Give the commie liberals an inch and they will want a mile. Most of us won’t get bumpstocks, but the point is, if we wanted to we should be allowed to. I understand what the NRA was after with their stance, but we can’t let the “domestic enemies” of our Constitution gain any ground.
Everyone needs to know that the Gun Control Act of 1968 was very nearly a translation to english of Hitler’s Gun Control Act of 1938, resulting in the holocaust.
EVEN JERRY MICULEK CAN’T FIRE AS FAST AS A BUMP STOCK!!!!!!! SHOULD TEACH ALL SOMETHING!! SO ANY ASS CAN SPRAY FROM 1000 YARDS AND HIT ……… WAY TO MANY PEOPLE IN A MASS CROUD!! NO NEED FOR THEM! JMO
A lifetime member of the NRA and 12 years Army, and this Item has been out for a while, and these Politicians that have been in the military, other than McCain knows what this is if you keep up with what’s going on in the gun world! But far as I’m concerned I don’t care for full auto unless it’s cover fire! But that’s not the case for smart people that don’t want to waist ammo and most of the time you’re not going to hit most of your targets! But (THESE) people were shooting into a giant nest of eggs that couldn’t be missed! This is truly a sad time in our history for such an attack by terrorist or the Soros owned Dem. party just to push gun control that is their biggest agenda, Hillary proved that the very next morning, all gun control and no remorse for the fallen!!! Just me!!
A lifetime member of the NRA and 12 years Army, and this Item has been out for a while, and these Politicians that have been in the military, other than McCain knows what this is if you keep up with what’s going on in the gun world! But far as I’m concerned I don’t care for full auto unless it’s cover fire! But that’s not the case for smart people that don’t want to waist ammo and most of the time you’re not going to hit most of your targets! But (THESE) people were shooting into a giant nest of eggs that couldn’t be missed! This is truly a sad time in our history for such an attack by terrorist or the Soros owned Dem. party just to push gun control that is their biggest agenda, Hillary proved that the very next morning, all gun control and no remorse for the fallen!!! Just me!! NO I HAVE NOT ALREADY MADE THIS REMARK!!!!!
what does … INFRINGE !!!!! … mean again – million ARMED man march before it’s too late – if it’s not already
Our 2nd ammentmend shall not be infringed, i don’t have a bump stock, give them 1 inch and they will take a mile. If the NRA is going to tried to infringed on that, what will they next, If i decided i want a bump stock i should be allow to buy it, we all are not terriost or murders. If the NRA is going to infringed on our rights, then i will not join again. Infrigned on one things, then what is next, Then they start wanting guns and our 2nd ammentmend people can not allow that. Take one right, then 2 rights, then 3 rights, then wants guns. We cannot and will not give up our guns. Let them go to far and then that will start. WE the America people will not give up our guns or our 2nd ammendment right. We would be sitting ducks for all terriost. Like the jews was under Hittler. We the America gun owners will never be sitting duck for the left snow flakes libturds. Them gun wanting bastards can go to hell.
If anyone should know how our rights are lost, piece by piece, little by little, it’s supposedly the NRA! WTF????
Why the hell does anyone NEED a Mercedes? A personal airplane? They don’t, but they have the right to own one if they WANT to and can afford to. Saying citizens don’t NEED something they WANT is bogus.
The approval of the NRA to eliminate bump fire stocks indicates a sign of WEAKNESS and opens the door to future Second Amendment ” give-ins” of Government pressures.
I no longer feel that the NRA has the muscle, or courage, to fight in our, gun owners behalf.
NRA ‘ SHAME ON YOU ‘ !!!!!
As a life long gun owner and supporter of the N.R.A I see no good use for a Bump-stock in the hands of general public. It not only wastes ammo but in the hands of someone like Las Vegas it is good for only one thing and that is to kill innocent people .
I generally support the NRA but there is one problem with the NRA. The NRA is primarily a defensive organization. They are sworn to defend the Second Amendment which is good. However when you only defend you never gain ground you only lose ground if perhaps more slowly.
Is the NRA going back to it’s Bad Old Days of Being Gentlemanly and or Reasonable with those who are neither of the above mentioned? One would hope not, but one wonders.